Helena de Groot (Paris Review) and Sean Cole (This American Life) are close friends. They have both decided not to have kids. Sean never has to answer for his decision, but for Helena, things are different. Strangers, friends, her doctor, and especially her husband tried to convince her. You will regret this. Kids give life meaning. Only when you have kids will you understand love. In her new podcast, Creation Myth, Helena wonders. Is she missing out on love? Does her life have purpose? Is she making a mistake?

Sean will also ask Helena about what it’s like to make a memoir. What it’s like to interview her closest friends and family about herself, to record herself crying on the floor or freshly in love and then share that with the world, and to shape a narrative arc out of a life she’s still very much living.